tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.comments2023-09-01T02:14:00.642-07:00This Is My BodyKeith Gileshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00328300571647154699noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-61665150991923934152014-07-27T18:50:40.930-07:002014-07-27T18:50:40.930-07:00Hello, Keith! Mike Morrell asked me to contact you...Hello, Keith! Mike Morrell asked me to contact you because he really appreciates your blog and thinks you'd be an excellent candidate for his Speakeasy Blogger Network. Do you like to review off-the-beaten path faith, spirituality, and culture books? Speakeasy puts interesting books in your hands at no charge to you. You only get books when you request them, and it's free to join. Sign up here, if you'd like: http://thespeakeasy.infoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16108826959433644724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-84237572859945375572013-10-23T00:27:07.513-07:002013-10-23T00:27:07.513-07:00these 6 things r not needed for the traditional ch...these 6 things r not needed for the traditional churches, it needs only for the para churches.ashishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063704092226378164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-54788109894535012932013-10-23T00:21:26.575-07:002013-10-23T00:21:26.575-07:00am coming from a traditional church. v hav to awar...am coming from a traditional church. v hav to aware that there is a historicity of jesus. we need that structure, jesus who taught the structure. am not rejecting the house church. but now a days v r promoting house churches for our own satisfaction, not for gods satisfaction. church had formed from different sufferings and hardships, not from a single day, not by a professionals, not for profit. now v r thinking only the money matters, v hav to accountable to god. <br />god bless u dears.<br />ashish , ashishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063704092226378164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-31193200436483370172013-10-08T12:44:34.929-07:002013-10-08T12:44:34.929-07:00A gift for you....truth.
Our heavenly Father will...A gift for you....truth.<br /><br />Our heavenly Father will NOT put any child of his into a hell fire no matter what their sins, whether they repent or not. Sin doesn't scare God! He created it Isa 45:7 to teach us ALL the knowledge of good and evil Gen 3:22 for our eternal placement in his coming kingdom. Throwing a child of his into a hell fire has never entered the heart or mind of God to ever do such a thing Jer 7:31, Jer 19:5. Anyone preaching a hell fire or second death for any child of God has been deceived into teaching lies. The whole world has believed in the god of hate murder and revenge (The devil Rev 12:9). The true word of God John 1:1 is now delivered Rev 12:5 and proven on this weblog diary http://thegoodtale.blogspot.com <br /><br />God chose a woman Rev 12 to be the prophet raised up of her brethren Acts 3:21-22 like unto Moses Num 12:3 delivering the true word Rev 12:17, Luke 8:11 and power of God boldly as Elijah, Matt 17:3 to the whole world as a witness Matt 24:14. The true Gospel (Gospel means Good Tale) turns the hearts of the Father's to the children of God Luke 1:17. A true witness delivereth souls...Proverbs 14:25. All souls are now delivered. Our ALMIGHTY God Luke 1:37 has an eternal place for all of his children in his coming world Rev 21 either on the NEW EARTH Ezek 37:26 or on a new planet in the NEW HEAVENS Matt 25:30, Acts 10:34, Rom 14:11,Heb 8:11, 1 John 1:9 according to their works Rev 20:13. Turn your heart to the children of God! His truth sets you free John 8:32! Jesus died for the sins of the whole world 1 John 2:2.<br /><br />Acts 3:23 "And it shall come to pass, that EVERY SOUL, WHICH WILL NOT HEAR THAT PROPHET, shall be destroyed from among the people".<br /><br />A righteous judge hears ALL THE EVIDENCE BEFORE making a judgment 1 Cor 6:2, 1 Thes 5:21, Pro 18:13 .The Good Talehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11574105752086912139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-50876272565914822222012-08-08T18:45:21.033-07:002012-08-08T18:45:21.033-07:00PART 2 of 2
I use these examples as they wouldn’t...PART 2 of 2<br /><br />I use these examples as they wouldn’t then fit in your description of what a true New Testament church is, yet God is using them to be making new disciples, helping the poor and needy in massive ways. <br /><br />So my heart was melted seeing these things in churches who have paid staffs and buildings and all and I made a shift in my thinking to where God can use all kinds of churches. House churches, organic churches, medium sixed ones, mega-churches, paid staff or non-paid staff. If people are coming to a saving faith in Jesus and we see growth as disciples, and people understanding they are the church, they don’t go to the church and the poor are being helped and justice matters to the Christians of the church – then what a great thing! <br /><br />The bigger questions are whether a church is seeing new disciples made, people who weren’t Christians putting faith in Jesus, are their regular baptisms of new believers happening (as you surely see this in the book of Acts). I know there are churches with paid staffs who you don’t see these things happening but there are also house churches where you don’t see new life, multiplication, new believers putting faith in Jesus etc. either. If we take a literalist approach to "The New Testament church didn't..." then we can be like certain Church of Christ churches who refuse to use musical instruments because there was none mentioned in the New Testament that church used. or we should all be greeting each other with holy kisses (literal kisses not just handshakes or hugs) when we meet as churches as that was prescribed by Paul as a practice the church should do when they meet. <br /><br />Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts on this – but then, maybe we shouldn’t be using a blog to discuss and share ideas, as the New Testament church did not use it but instead met in person and the Holy Spirit didn’t use computers and technology in the church then so we perhaps shouldn’t today (ha ha…… ☺ ) <br /><br />Thanks Keith!! Again, I respect your thoughts and heart or I wouldn’t be asking here!Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13374668750597943537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-91556749205841612452012-08-08T18:41:27.774-07:002012-08-08T18:41:27.774-07:00Hi Keith!
PART 1 of 2
I always love reaching you...Hi Keith!<br /><br />PART 1 of 2<br /><br />I always love reaching your thoughts and I am someone who couldn’t resonate with you more with the urgent need for Christians to understand they can’t “go to church” but they are the church. <br /><br />If it is OK, I would respectfully like to raise up some questions to you, regarding this post here. What am I wondering about, is if in the passion to see people experience “church” biblically we can become literalists in how we then express the church in local contexts. <br /><br />What I mean by that, is when you make statements about “the New Testament church did not… “ and then list things, could you then make statements like:<br /><br />The New Testament church did not use running water piped in for their kitchens and rest rooms to make disciples. We should then not use running water or pipes in our homes. <br /><br />The New Testament church did not spend money on cell phones, computers or internet. So we should then avoid using these mediums of communication to make disciples, and instead give that money we spend on technology all to the poor also. <br /><br />The New Testament greeted each other with a holy kiss when they met. If we aren’t literally doing that in our gatherings, then we are not making disciples the way the New Testament church did. <br /><br />Now, I am overly exaggerating and joking here – but I wonder if the approach you are taking moves into ecclesiastical literalism? And then we restrict forms and ways of making disciples that may shift through cultures and times and dismiss anything that isn’t “New Testament”. <br /><br />I think some of this I understand, as I went through a deconstruction time period of church and felt much like you are writing about here. But then I began wondering if it was really accurate what I was thinking. I was at a church’s Sunday gathering in Sacramento who have thousands as part of the church and paid staff and all the rest – but the Sunday I was there I watched them announce how they raised over $100,000 to help fund a hospital for those in need in a war-torn part of Africa. I think of how many house church offerings would it take to build a hospital and time needed where one single church can then help build almost an entire hospital from one offering on a Sunday. Not that the offering a house church is any less valid, but when masses are rallied towards something like this then the impact is large tangibly in a fast way. Or another church with paid staff who raised money to buy an apartment complex which was then used to house homeless mom’s and their children and they were staffing it with people to help educate and train the mom’s to be able to get jobs and back on their feet. <br /><br />Also know a who baptized 200 people on a Sunday and these were mainly younger people who were not Christian and now following Jesus as disciples not just “converts” as they teach and train them in Scripture and that they are the church, not just go to church etc.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13374668750597943537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-78057371153149742182011-11-25T13:57:53.197-08:002011-11-25T13:57:53.197-08:00I have #2 and #7...I have #2 and #7...Trans Dykes on Bikes for Christhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277447902746612136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-33108238650561387892011-11-25T13:57:02.583-08:002011-11-25T13:57:02.583-08:00The dollar amount is probably way too low. I'v...The dollar amount is probably way too low. I've heard estimates of $300,000 or more in the bank to cover the first couple years when you consider staff -- pastor, worship leader, secretary at minimum -- a building (own or rent? plus utilities and upkeep) and other expenses for marketing. Our traditional church has an annual budget of $250,000 and 80 percent goes to cover building expenses and staff and it doesn't even have a mortgage.Dan Bensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14687464967788834090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-48097503294097607112011-09-21T22:43:22.302-07:002011-09-21T22:43:22.302-07:00hey , this is very nice blog and post... i like th...hey , this is very nice blog and post... i like the title of this blog "THIS IS MY BODY" thanks for share this prophetic words ... GOD BLESS YOU <br /><br /><a href="http://cyberchurchtoday.com/" rel="nofollow">The prophecy online</a>Laws of attractionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120310491638288008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-20846088439716024532011-09-21T03:26:29.375-07:002011-09-21T03:26:29.375-07:00Thanks, I will bookmark this page and use it... re...Thanks, I will bookmark this page and use it... really very help full blog.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.bishopjordan.com/" rel="nofollow">Spiritual thinking</a>Bishopjordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00874002679261257977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-22646771772416585802011-09-21T03:19:29.748-07:002011-09-21T03:19:29.748-07:00Thanks for taking this opportunity to discuss this...Thanks for taking this opportunity to discuss this, I feel fervently about this and I like learning about this subject. Thanks for sharing this valuable post.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.propheticprayerlist.com/" rel="nofollow">Laws of attractions</a>prophetichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14595038291421631677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-29924362048486848202011-09-21T01:11:25.850-07:002011-09-21T01:11:25.850-07:00This is a great post, I liked your blog and added ...This is a great post, I liked your blog and added your feed.<br /><br /><a href="http://prophecynewswatch.net/" rel="nofollow">Prophecy<br /></a>laws of prosperityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09497239347121598981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-16401940016262779612011-08-06T22:02:19.860-07:002011-08-06T22:02:19.860-07:00I was thinking of a 7th thing as well... a CT Scan...I was thinking of a 7th thing as well... a CT Scan.<br />Sorry, I couldn't resist ;)Will Rochowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04308106368138818481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-51490715294044072302011-07-02T16:47:42.719-07:002011-07-02T16:47:42.719-07:00Amen. Thanks for sharing this around, Arthur. It&#...Amen. Thanks for sharing this around, Arthur. It's worth standing up for.Keith Gileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00328300571647154699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-12987404296396240972011-07-02T01:50:57.868-07:002011-07-02T01:50:57.868-07:00yeah, pretty much sharing this with everyone right...yeah, pretty much sharing this with everyone right now. I know some of us struggle with how difficult it is to shift people's paradigms around this, but Jesus spent his entire career teaching and showing God's way different than what we think, right?Arthurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01398489078148847508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-68772769106380303442011-06-28T00:22:20.557-07:002011-06-28T00:22:20.557-07:00It's amazing what some people regard as "...It's amazing what some people regard as "traditional" these days!Steve Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-67275066833121810062011-06-27T02:16:12.699-07:002011-06-27T02:16:12.699-07:00Brilliant! And so sad, as well.Brilliant! And so sad, as well.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03241754186472777753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-86254602535716708532011-06-22T10:02:37.741-07:002011-06-22T10:02:37.741-07:00Wish I'd thought of that! Hilarious!Wish I'd thought of that! Hilarious!Crissy Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134951922620806446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-6514365437485671482011-05-22T09:57:27.742-07:002011-05-22T09:57:27.742-07:00With $10,000 you could start a full-on Emergency S...With $10,000 you could start a full-on Emergency Shelter for the Homeless. We did. Now we serve as the largest soup kitchen and the second-largest shelter in Orange County. More than anything, it would be nice if church planters at least suggested the possibility the the Lord might provide.Dwight and Leia (OCCW)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02988605128184511904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-48444282883460409182011-05-17T04:08:50.026-07:002011-05-17T04:08:50.026-07:00A great idea to illustrate it this way, Keith! (I...A great idea to illustrate it this way, Keith! (I wish I'd thought of it first.) Now the "This IS a Church" photo might be a little harder, all the lovers of Jesus gathered together, expressing Him, manifesting Him to the world.esztertunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13866613716568607434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-69523978859738139342011-05-09T06:38:27.367-07:002011-05-09T06:38:27.367-07:00really great way to capture the differencereally great way to capture the differencenatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443527355033114480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-13906400945782431712011-05-06T17:12:01.744-07:002011-05-06T17:12:01.744-07:00Jan, glad this blessed you!Jan, glad this blessed you!Keith Gileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00328300571647154699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-65485928173916279562011-05-04T09:22:58.824-07:002011-05-04T09:22:58.824-07:00Thanks so much for writing this post on Pastors an...Thanks so much for writing this post on Pastors and leadership. There is so much "tradition" that many cling to. This was a breath of fresh air.Jan Packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00144548072127784580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-64813927750859884822011-04-28T18:13:50.759-07:002011-04-28T18:13:50.759-07:00That is great stuff. The professional, one man min...That is great stuff. The professional, one man ministry is killing men and marriages. Christ never intended one man to carry all of the burden and when you have a church with one guy doing 90% of the work and 90% of the other men doing basically nothing, something is terribly wrong.Arthur Sidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5720667399850486453.post-54274590255824606562011-04-27T08:40:23.212-07:002011-04-27T08:40:23.212-07:00Keith, thank you for presenting how the how the Ne...Keith, thank you for presenting how the how the New Testament church is supposed to "function" in a way that the Lord originally ordained. Using the Old Testament references and tying them into the New Testament in showing how God always intended to build His church was great. <br />I have a great appreciation for what the Lord is doing in His church and your book is a great tool for those who want know more about the Body of Christ.<br />There is definately a voice on the hill declaring the truth and you are one of them.<br /><br />Thank you,<br /><br />StevenSteven O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792425900488235836noreply@blogger.com